{"id":13876,"date":"2019-08-08T07:56:29","date_gmt":"2019-08-08T11:56:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/me-en.kaspersky.com\/blog\/transatlantic-cable-podcast-104\/13876\/"},"modified":"2020-03-26T18:24:44","modified_gmt":"2020-03-26T14:24:44","slug":"transatlantic-cable-podcast-104","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/me-en.kaspersky.com\/blog\/transatlantic-cable-podcast-104\/13876\/","title":{"rendered":"Transatlantic Cable podcast, episode 104"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome to the 104th installment of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kaspersky.com\/blog\/tag\/podcast\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Kaspersky <em>Transatlantic Cable<\/em> podcast<\/a>. This week, we take a look at some important stories that you may have missed.<\/p>\n<p>We start with a meeting of the Five Eyes nations. While there, the government representatives pushed for more back doors in encryption \u2014 because of criminals. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?<\/p>\n<input type=\"hidden\" class=\"category_for_banner\" value=\"ksc-trial-generic\">\n<p>Following that story, we head to the US, where a law proposed to Congress would ban such addictive properties of social networks as infinite feeds and autoplaying videos. Sticking with the law, we look at challenges from privacy groups about Amazon\u2019s Ring doorbell and its role in surveillance \u2014 that is, surveillance performed by law enforcement. We close out the week\u2019s podcast looking at the latest in the Equifax breach.<\/p>\n<p>If you enjoy the podcast, consider subscribing and sharing with your friends who need more regular updates on security. For the full text of the stories, please visit the links below:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scmagazineuk.com\/five-eyes-ministers-call-weaken-encryption\/article\/1592602\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">\u201cFive Eyes\u201d ministers call to weaken encryption<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fastcompany.com\/90384038\/the-u-s-could-ban-social-media-apps-from-using-psychological-tricks-like-infinite-scrolling-and-autoplay\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">The U.S. could ban social media apps from using \u201cpsychological tricks\u201d like infinite scrolling and autoplay<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/technology-49191005\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Amazon Ring: Police tie-up criticised by anti-surveillance campaigners<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/equifax-settlement-money-will-get\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">You\u2019ll get your Equifax money. It just might take a while.<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/10805693\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/00a88e\/\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" width=\"100%\" height=\"90px\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div class=\"podcast-subscribe\"><a data-omniture-download-button-type=\"TrialBuilds\" data-omniture-product-name=\"podcast-itunes\" class=\"itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/talk-security\/id909407206\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/me-en.kaspersky.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/kaspersky-embeds\/img\/button-subscribe-apple.png\"><\/a><a data-omniture-download-button-type=\"TrialBuilds\" data-omniture-product-name=\"podcast-spotify\" class=\"spotify\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/1VGCKlOoQ9C24dJiCHGTK5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/me-en.kaspersky.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/kaspersky-embeds\/img\/button-subscribe-spotify.png\"><\/a><a data-omniture-download-button-type=\"TrialBuilds\" data-omniture-product-name=\"podcast-rss\" class=\"rss\" href=\"http:\/\/talksecurity.kaspersky-podcasts.libsynpro.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/me-en.kaspersky.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/kaspersky-embeds\/img\/button-subscribe-rss.png\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> So this first story this week is really interesting, because it\u2019s the first one in a while, I feel like, that we\u2019ve had the Five Eyes group together and talking about one of the government\u2019s favorite things, and that\u2019s building back doors in encrypted applications.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, we have spoken about this a couple of times in the past, you know, I sometimes feel we have quite a few sort of jokey stories on the podcast, and then we get hit by something like this. This is quite a serious story. So the Five Eyes group, which is I believe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. So a group of countries which information share kind of spy intelligence stuff, I\u2019m no expert on the whole thing. They are basically saying that companies that use encryption, so that\u2019s pretty much every company, should build specific back doors into messenger apps and specific tools so that they can listen in.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> The third party paragraph of this story really just bothers me a lot that says, \u201cThe Five Eyes are united that tech firms should not develop their systems and services, including end to end encryption in ways that empower criminals to put vulnerable people at risk.\u201d Now, and this is from Priti Patel from the UK. And I think when you look at this, you know, this quote, I know got a lot of negative connotations to it in the press. But to me, when you read this, the definition of the word <em>criminal<\/em> is the part that I feel governments abuse the most, in mass surveillance. And that\u2019s what the problem is with removing this type of trying to put this up a back door and encryption, which at the end of the day really isn\u2019t encryption at all if you start to put that in there, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, well, it\u2019s not just criminals, it\u2019s criminals and terrorists. If you say criminals or terrorists, you can basically just \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> That\u2019s where you start to get up on that MAGA bandwagon. Yeah, get there. But you know, I think the <em>South Park<\/em> thing. \u201cThey\u2019re taking our jobs!\u201d Like, you think about those type of things, that that\u2019s where it comes up to you like, you almost feel like this is set in a <em>South Park<\/em> episode, like this is something that would come out of Eric Cartman\u2019s mouth.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, definitely. And the thing that frustrates me a little bit is we hear this rhetoric every few months, I\u2019m pretty sure we spoke about this similar sort of story \u2014 either Five Eyes or the US or the UK minister saying pretty much the same thing that we need to build back doors. In fact, it might have been the story we were talking about where the UK had built a way of becoming ghost participants inside WhatsApp chats.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> We\u2019ve talked about that on this podcast, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we hear the same thing coming through. I understand the position, you know, that criminals do use these tools. But at the same time, maths is maths. There\u2019s not there\u2019s not a kind of middle ground.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff: <\/strong>Math is hard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah. It works or it doesn\u2019t. So that\u2019s the whole point of encryption, if it\u2019s broke, if there\u2019s a backdoor encryption for it, it\u2019s no longer encrypted.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I think the problem with this is, and I understand the government wanting certain things, and I see in the story where it talks about things like pedophilia being something that\u2019s marked by the companies and something that they\u2019re willing to kind of talk about, because nobody likes that stuff. And if you are one of those people, you\u2019re sick. There, I said it. I said it for both of us, Dave, but I think when you look at these types of things, it\u2019s just this whole story just gives me the heebie jeebies looking at it, because you know, living in the US, the government has abused their surveillance program, there is no if, ands, or buts about it in terms of the way that they\u2019ve listened to the US citizens on things. It\u2019s been abuse. And I think you\u2019ve seen that it\u2019s not just a personal opinion of mine, you\u2019ve seen it in actual court cases against the groups and the government actually telling the NSA, you have to pull back your spying program on US citizens. So, what\u2019s to say that this wouldn\u2019t happen again? And to be honest with you, I think, looking at this type of thing, I would feel horrible using any type of application that we rely on for end-to-end encryption that agreed to this type of back door.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, I think a lot of ministers and countries that are trying to lobby for this sort of breaking of encryption don\u2019t understand a lot of the time what they mean when they\u2019re talking about it, you know, that they say that they need to build back doors. Like it\u2019s a simple thing, right? Like, oh, you just need to press a button and we can get in through the side \u2014 it\u2019s not how it works. And I think there\u2019s a fundamental gap where, you know, tech companies are trying to not just tech companies, but cybersecurity specialists, and all these different people in groups are trying to explain what encryption is. And why it\u2019s important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Government people didn\u2019t always get elected to have their biggest tech smarts. They\u2019re usually career politicians whose biggest asset is their mouth, talking about things and getting policies passed, and their politics, if you will. And you know, I think with all this another thing to say about this, too, and I think this has been an argument against the back doors in the past is, you know, outside of abuse of these type of things, getting aside from the math because, listen, Dave, we both went to school for literature and language. We didn\u2019t go to school for math. It\u2019s \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll tell you something, Jeff, I failed math twice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Me too. I got a D in college. Because I brought I brought the guy at 12 packs at my final and because you couldn\u2019t fail because you could if you show up every class you got enough to get a D. So even though I was gonna fail, I showed up. Hat tip to Seton Hall University. The reason that we work so closely with Svetlana, you know, our analyst, she\u2019s good at math. But I think, you know, when you start looking at these things, I think the other problem is, it\u2019s not just that of the abuse. But when you come to this type of thing. Let\u2019s be honest here. How good have some countries been with their known exploits of things like Windows? Okay, yeah. So if you can\u2019t keep your exploits to yourself, and get them leaked out, how can you be trusted with the backdoor that people are using, which I think WhatsApp is the most popular messaging app out there. And then you add Facebook Messenger on top of that, which is just WhatsApp and Facebook, pretty much minus some of the encryption, you start to have a giant customer base that now can be surveilled on. And let\u2019s not forget here, at the same time that the UK and the US are kind of pointing fingers at places. They also have Facebook and Cambridge Analytica in their crosshairs of political discourse. So when you start looking at that, at one hand, you want to vilify a company that doesn\u2019t work around but at the same time, you want your own work around, so \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, they want a cake and eat it, basically.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad you said that one. Because I was thinking about the Fig Newton commercial.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I\u2019ll send you a link later. But it\u2019s a US thing they use the queen of England\u2019s kind of with the whole have \u201cyour cake and eat it too,\u201d and it shows now you can have your cake and eat it too. And this is like a commercial from the 80s, so I\u2019m definitely dating myself. But I think with this one, I think we can agree on this one. This is bad for business. And, you know, these countries saying it, too, like, you start to look at it like the groups in here. Every one of these five countries has protected classes of people, and they do have people like journalists or victims of domestic abuse, they really want to have things that are hidden conversations. And they don\u2019t want people snooping in because it is for safety reasons, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, I mean, we all have something to hide. Yeah, one doesn\u2019t have to be illegal activity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> My real question is, would all these politicians want people to be able to read what\u2019s in their messages?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, this is this is the argument, isn\u2019t it? And the answer will be no, but \u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I bet you there\u2019s some dick pics in there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> [laughs] Let\u2019s keep it PG. Let\u2019s keep it PG. Let\u2019s jump over to the next story because we are fast running out of time, actually, Jeff. The next story is, well, still talking about governments and the US government in particular, something about the US could ban social media apps from using psychological tricks like infinite scrolling and autoplay. I like this story. The problem is I don\u2019t think he\u2019s gonna go anywhere.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> On one hand, I see the point that they\u2019re making from it, that a Republican governor, like a Republican representative is making this makes it even more interesting, given that they\u2019ve been more pro to some of these things. But I think when you especially they\u2019re pro to businesses, and the problem here is a lot of these things. They\u2019re talking about the battle social media addiction, which we do know is, you know, a categorized issue now with people. But I think when you look at some of these things, the problem I see with this is you\u2019re fundamentally changing the way some of these platforms work. So even with this bill going through, you\u2019re probably talking about 10 years before anything happens, because this is going to get caught up in courts, because think about this one. Autoplay, what does Facebook used to make its money on videos? Autoplay. Then you start to go through here. Now you look at another one, infinite scroll or autorefill. How does YouTube get people to listen to it? Like, for example, I use YouTube instead of using something like Spotify.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, I suppose I do like where he\u2019s coming from. And it\u2019s good that, you know, we\u2019re having this discussion and it is being talked about in government. The problem is, and probably the closest example I can compare it to is TV, right. There\u2019s no regulation. No, there\u2019s no regulation around TV.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Commercials.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, that\u2019s regulated to a sense. But \u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> \u2026 it\u2019s also part of the government to in type of regulation. Like in the US, we got the FTC, the FCC, look at all these types of things.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah. But what I\u2019m alluding to, is the fact that you can just binge watch TV all day, there\u2019s no like, feature stopping you from, from watching TV all day, which means you\u2019d be you know, exposed to hundreds of ads all day, and there\u2019s nothing, there\u2019s no rules to stop you doing that. Whereas he\u2019s proposing that basically, that would stop,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> On one level, I\u2019m wondering<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> how social media works.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I\u2019m also wondering on some level, if some of these companies have this have been briefed on this before this going out there? Because like, look at Facebook now. It\u2019s testing taking away the likes and like the hearts and some of the markets on Instagram. Because then it doesn\u2019t do the social proof. It does. Is it a badging system, it isn\u2019t something that can start to add to the way that people look. So, let\u2019s see. Let\u2019s see what happens with that. I don\u2019t see this ever coming into law. It\u2019s a good conversation. But will it become law? Probably not. And, you know, keeping on the laws and government surveillance and types of things, this next story is really interesting, because it\u2019s talking about police getting criticized by antisurveillance campaigns based upon Amazon\u2019s Ring.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, this is a disturbing story, but it depends which side of the fence you\u2019re on already. So, Ring has partnered with something like 200 police forces in the States. As far as I\u2019m aware, this isn\u2019t happening over in the UK at all. But over in the States.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> What do you guys need extra surveillance for?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, we\u2019ve got CCTV everywhere, right? Yeah, we don\u2019t need that sort of stuff. So over in the States, the police access people\u2019s Ring video surveillance, and I think they can kind of go back in time and see what\u2019s going on. They don\u2019t need a warrant. This is the thing which has concerned a lot of people they don\u2019t need a warrant. All they need is agreement from the owner of that particular Ring doorbell for them to be able to get on and look at the video footage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Let me guess, it\u2019s hidden in the EULA.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it is. So on the one hand, we\u2019re talking about the two different sides of the fence. On the one hand, is this a good way for police forces to have extra evidence in bringing people to justice? Any sort of things like that? Or is it a kind of under-the-floor way of getting a surveillance state? How you see that depends on sort of how you approach this sort of topic. If you are very privacy conscious, you will probably see this is being a bad thing. Right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Yeah, I think when you look at this, it\u2019s really one of those things that, who would have ever thought that we would have brought the police state on ourselves. You know, everybody talks about like <em>1984<\/em>, <em>The Village,<\/em> video surveillance around the clock and believing it\u2019s the government, you look at something like Singapore, you look at something like London, but now in the States, you got people adding them to their front their front doors.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, willingly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s \u2014 again, not only is IoT an issue for security, but now you\u2019re looking at something where you\u2019re giving up your privacy. And I think, you know, you start to look at this stuff. And you know, on one hand, you\u2019ve got Amazon listening to your recordings on Alexa. Now you\u2019ve got an Amazon-based doorbell viewing people that might be committing crimes. Keyword there is <em>might be<\/em>. And what is the government going to do with these, again? How long is this until it\u2019s an abuse of power? And how long of this does something like say, you know, neighborhood has 20 cameras around the neighborhood? Do the police use this as something instead of doing a routine patrol? Again, it\u2019s just hypotheticals getting along the \u2014 I took the side of the super privacy people there, but also, you know, add to the part that this is kind of creepy when you think about it to an extent of where are we going as a society?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, I mean, it\u2019s a question of, are police forces using technology as a way to get away from, you know, just real policing, having boots on the ground, so to speak, and having police officers driving around and making sure everyone\u2019s okay. That\u2019s the argument. Should we be policing ourselves, which, in a sense, Ring caught the ring? The Ring app is a way for video surveillance en masse? I\u2019m sort of on the fence. I do sort of understand police wasn\u2019t trying to be creepy about it. They genuinely want to just stop criminals. Yeah, they\u2019re not they\u2019re not here to perv on people or anything weird.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> But now you\u2019re saying it\u2019s good to have a back door?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s where you stumped me. And that\u2019s where I come undone with this argument.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> I know. It\u2019s too extreme.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> What? Yeah, it is. But I think that\u2019s the that\u2019s the problem that police forces and governments around the world having to grapple with.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> The laws haven\u2019t kept up with technology is what the problem is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, yeah. And I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen, the end result. But honestly, if the governments win and add back doors, that is not good for anybody.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> And this is kind of a backdoor guessing if you think about it, and another way. And I know that this, I think their argument is probably these are like bank ATMs and things like that when people try to catch somebody through a dragnet and see where somebody\u2019s been to. The only problem is, instead of it being, you know, a business that has something that could be pointing at a public space, you\u2019re talking about a private home, that not only does this capture people going into a business, which is a public place, now you\u2019re going into a private residence, which do you really want that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah. And also on the story as well, I know, I know, we\u2019re going to jump over to the next story. And the story is where they just talk about the fact that Ring is also quietly testing face recognition, object recognition, and it\u2019s all being done, through the Ring,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Why wouldn\u2019t you? Their boxes are getting there on time with QR codes on the side of them. Oh, did I say that out loud? So, the next story is something that we talked about last week, US folks, Equifax, back in the news, not in a good way. Because I know everybody\u2019s been seeing the spot, where you can get 125 bucks, if you were put into there. Don\u2019t click on that. Because the thing is, this all goes up to a maximum they would have to pay out if people didn\u2019t want the service. And you might not get the $125 bucks at all, you might get a much lower payout, because so many people have started to subscribe to this and what the trade-off is of that $125 bucks is you get giving away the credit monitoring for a 10 year period.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s like a big pool, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s a big pool with this dumpster fire of a breach Equifax continues to be burning in their level of incompetence.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah. But I think the thing is that the FTC and also Equifax weren\u2019t expecting as many people to claim, so they\u2019ve had this inundation of people claiming \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> \u2014 No. That is such a BS perspective.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know. I\u2019m just copying what the thing \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> \u2014 is. I know. Listen, next thing you know, they take security very seriously. So we can all read through PR BS when it comes through, sorry PR colleagues, but you know, at the same time, they have really crapped the bed this whole time. There\u2019s \u2014 I\u2019m really trying to keep PG words here \u2014 but it\u2019s such an infuriating thing seeing it is that you know, a lot of people jump this area say, Hey, I got 125 bucks easy like these are people were like, Well, what does my credit monitor matter? I don\u2019t get much anyway. I have no money, blah, blah, get the 125 bucks for free? Yes, not really for free. And also like these terms and conditions are like a EULA. Any type of these things. You\u2019re not looking at the big picture. And, you know, people looking to get that quick cash grab aren\u2019t looking at the end result of \u201cHey, this really isn\u2019t what it seems.\u201d And that\u2019s what I feel bad about. Because like the problem is, Equifax made the settlement but in a sense, it\u2019s a settlement that isn\u2019t there to protect the end consumer, it\u2019s there to protect their financial bottom line.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, exactly. And, you know, the end of the day, they\u2019re not looking out for you. No, the telling thing is because it\u2019s a pool of money, the more people who jump into the pool, the less they get. At the end of the article, he actually says that you could if the maximum amount of people jumped into this big pool of money and took everything out. You could get $1.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Listen, the last time I was in something that messed up, like for a class action lawsuit was with Red Bull, and I got a 12 pack of Red Bull for it. Like that\u2019s much better than $1 Oh, yeah. And that\u2019s because somebody, that\u2019s because somebody sued them because it said, Red Bull really doesn\u2019t give you wings and like that, like, that\u2019s stupid In comparison, the people\u2019s PID being breached at a giant level, from a company who\u2019s supposed to be a credit monitoring firm. That\u2019s one of the people that\u2019s tied to the US government in ways so sorry, not sorry, you guys really just did a sleazy type of setup.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yeah, they did. So I think the best thing here for people is there is actually more money becoming available. And the only thing I would say is, Hold your horses claiming if you do want to claim to the money, if you want to claim for the free credit monitoring thing, then you know, go for it. There\u2019s nothing stopping you. But there is more money being made available. So I would say that probably the best thing to do is just hold your horses and wait and then at a later date claim the cash. So that\u2019s the probably the best thing to do at the moment.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeff:<\/strong> Yeah, I think you know, let\u2019s see what happens with it. I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll talk about this. Just, you know, it\u2019s like the Billy Joel song. [sings We didn\u2019t start the fire \u2026 ] So guys, on that note, you leave with my angelic voice singing a rendition of Billy Joel\u2019s \u201cWe Didn\u2019t Start the Fire.\u201d And this week\u2019s edition of the Kaspersky <em>Transatlantic Cable <\/em>podcast has come to a close. If you like what you heard, and it\u2019s your first time here, please subscribe. If you\u2019ve been with us a while, thanks again for subscribing. Feel free to leave us a positive review on your favorite podcast network. And if you think we got something wrong, or there\u2019s a story that we should cover, hit us up @Kaspersky on Twitter. 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